[ Cloud Computing ] Re: Role of Windows Appliances and Cloud

Looks OSs do not nccessarily run on top of hypervisor. I don't know
the future of OSs, but like to listen more.

Without hand-on experience, I only can talk of some simple concepts of
OSs and Cloud. Look forward to others' opinions.

Scott

On Dec 23, 3:24 pm, "Barbara Bour" <barb...@principiainc.com> wrote:
> Guys,
>
> Understood, OSs run on top of Hypervisors. And...Hypervisors are enablers of
> IAAS because, as we all know, most existing software systems dwell
> comfortably in OS's level of granularity, and are not at home in SAAS or
> PAAS.
>
> I am looking at the question from a broader perspective.
>
> The complexity that is introduced by black box hypervisors troubles me. I
> feel the solve a problem already solved by IBM and other big box vendors
> decades ago.
>
> So, with that in mind, the whole thing begs the question, what is the future
> of the full service OS?
> Do they morph into a meta OS, that can function in a manner like a
> hypervisor OR full service OS or both (in essence something like a mainframe
> OS).
>
> Barbara Bour
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: cloud-computing@googlegroups.com
>
> [mailto:cloud-computing@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of scottxu
> Sent: Tuesday, December 23, 2008 4:01 PM
> To: Cloud Computing
> Subject: [ Cloud Computing ] Re: Role of Windows Appliances and Cloud
>
> Could JeOS and Windows 2008 Server Core be some examples of NOT
> standard full service OS which may run on a hypervisor ?
>
> Also many developers are actually doing work on runtimes as
> Java, .NET, Adobe, etc., not on OSes directly.  These runtimes could
> be thought as NOT standard full service Virtual Machines.
>
> If think both OSes and runtimes as platforms, then developers' concern
> is which platform to choose and how they will evolve.
>
> For solution providers, the questions are which features should be
> included in these platforms, and in what priority and timing order.
> Features like automatic deployment, scaling(up or out ?), large data
> stores, transactions, parallel computing, etc.
>
> Scott
>
> On Dec 23, 9:27 am, "Tao Lu" <taol...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > Hi, Barbara
>
> > There should still be some OSes running on top of Hypervisors, can you
> > please make your point clearer "however hypervisors appear to be taking
> the
> > competition to standard full service OS to another level."
>
> > thanks,
> > Tao
>
> > On Wed, Dec 24, 2008 at 1:13 AM, Barbara Bour
> <barb...@principiainc.com>wrote:
>
> > > All,
>
> > > Perhaps another thread needs to be spun up. Are we seeing an emerging
> > > competition to standard full service OS. Appliances with proprietary OS
> > > have
> > > been around for ages (NAS, network hardware, cell phones, electronic
> > > devices), however hypervisors appear to be taking the competition to
> > > standard full service OS to another level.
>
> > > Any thoughts?
>
> > > -----Original Message-----
> > > From: cloud-computing@googlegroups.com
> > > [mailto:cloud-computing@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of scottxu
> > > Sent: Monday, December 22, 2008 8:45 PM
> > > To: Cloud Computing
> > > Subject: [ Cloud Computing ] Re: Role of Windows Appliances and Cloud
>
> > > Curious how to define Zero OS. Could Java, Adobe Air, Silverlight,
> > > etc., be
> > > thought as Zero OS ?
>
> > > Possibly there are three or more ways for virtual appliances:
> > > 1) Appliances with OSes, dropped on physical machines
> > > 2) Appliances without OSs, but with runtimes: JavaFx, AbodeAir,
> > > Silverlight, etc.,
> > >    dropped on browsers, maybe directly on some OSes in future
> > > 3) Applications without runtimes: written in Java, .NET, etc., droppd
> > > on some runtimes
> > > 4) Possibly other ways
>
> > > Don't know how the current status of these types: how easy or what are
> > > the issues ?
>
> > > Scott
>
> > > On Dec 19, 9:59 am, "Mark Yohai" <myo...@trigence.com> wrote:
> > > > I am doing research to try to understand the role of Appliances in the
> > > > Cloud...as I read much about the ability to move Appliances from on to
> > > > off premise operation ...
>
> > > > What if any role is there for Windows Appliances to enable
> organization
> > > > to move their pre-existing windows apps up to a cloud like EC2?
>
> > > > What I have learned is that most Appliances, and tool sets to build
> > > > them, seem to support only Linux - with JeOS ( maybe I read it wrong?
> )
>
> > > > Does the group think there would be interest in a Zero OS Application
> > > > based appliance? Such an Appliance would package an Application , its
> > > > Identity, Services, Dependencies, Configuration, and potentially even
> > > > Data and State - but Zero OS.  Such an appliance could be dropped on a
> > > > running instance of an OS.  It would leave no footprint, or alter the
> > > > key settings on the machine ( e.g. Registry ).
>
> > > > Any and all feedback welcome.
>
> > > > Thanks
>
> > > > Mark
>
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