[ Cloud Computing ] Re: Cloud-as-a-Feature?

I agree with the perspective, and thus the Mathematica use case is
most likely an edge one for now.
Also agree with the 'old' problems and unfortunately most of those
appear solved using private cloud models which entail hurdles(not
technical ones), primarily up front investment and transition costs
(new hw, services, & training) to absorb the capability.

Seems like a long road or a compelling switch event ala Y2K
(application or hw infrastructure obsolescence) until enterprises
seriously bite into the burst/contraction value of cloud services. I
was expecting to see more intermediate steps of "cloud bursting"
features by ISVs as a differentiator for biz apps(and to fight the net
new ground up cloud apps or saas guys). Maybe this is happening, just
not publicly.

- MB

On Dec 17, 12:28 pm, Ray Nugent <rnug...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> What we hear constantly from enterprises is NOT all or nothing. Rather, we get from them is how do we burst out to use the cloud when we need it. Then the issues are the old ones of security, data transfer, scalability, application modification etc. The cost for this does not seem to be really high on the priority list given the reduced time to deployment and the low touch that it affords.
>
> Ray
>
> ________________________________
> From: MBoyarski <Mike.Boyar...@gmail.com>
> To: Cloud Computing <cloud-computing@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 11:48:04 AM
> Subject: [ Cloud Computing ] Cloud-as-a-Feature?
>
> I read this a few weeks back(http://www.roughtype.com/archives/2008/11/
> the_cloud_as_a.php)(I don't know Nic) describing a cloud-as-a-feature
> concept that is slowly evolving(Mathematica was referred).  Maybe this
> has been discussed in here already, I looked and couldn't find so here
> goes.  The use case essentially talks about embedding AWS(in this
> example) as a service inside a traditional on premise application.
> For certain analytical computations, a grid of computing is required
> for a short period of time.  This sounds compelling for the enterprise
> and I wanted to know if others are seeing this as an edge case or
> something more.
>
> Oracle tipped their tow around running backups to AWS.  I guess you
> could call that a feature leveraging a cloud.  Its sort of
> interesting, I guess.
>
> It seems like the cloud has risen to it's current prominence and value
> due to its web or "one time" workload scenario, ie. "The Digg
> effect".  Or, the one off event like the NYTimes pdf conversion process
> (or some similar event where they processed some absurd amount of
> documents from one type to another).  I know there are apps being
> develop as we speak, totally built for the cloud so we have that to
> look forward to....  But for the enterprise, it seems like I'm reading
> a lot of all or nothing discussions about Cloud usage.  Enterprises
> don't like big shifts.  They've already spent their $$ on something,
> they want it to last for as long as possible.  But if certain
> analytical applications or functions or end of year computations or
> even a smaller shop looking at an unusual workload could manage these
> spikes "within" their on premise application, I could envision the
> value of the cloud taking an intermediate step to the enterprise.
>
> Just curious to hear if others have heard of similar cloud features
> being built "into" existing or traditional on premise applications?  I
> think MSFT has laid out a future here, but curious about other
> vendors.
>
> - MB

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