stage of the cloud game, it would make sense to copy the API of the
gorilla in the industry. If you look at the AWS license page in the
license to use section (http://www.amazon.com/AWS-License-home-page-
Money/b?ie=UTF8&node=3440661#6), then it's not so clear that one is
allowed to just copy Amazon's API (is copying an API a "derived work"
of the API?). I'm no IP lawyer, so I can't comment intelligently, but
I can imagine that Amazon might have envisioned organizations trying
to adopt the API in order to take customers from them.
-- Chris
On Jun 10, 2008, at 15:29 , Issac Amarillas Roth wrote:
>
> I think he meant API. Eucaliptus is API-compatible with Amazon's
> EC2 APIs
> for provisioning instances. I don't think they propose
> compatibility with
> their machine format (AMI). I believe the issue here is whether Amazon
> copyrighted the interface, and even then I don't think that precludes
> someone else from implementing the interface. An IP protection
> expert would
> have to weigh in. But aside from the legalities, it's cool to see
> that they
> made life easier for us all by implementing an already-existing API
> for
> machine control rather than inventing a new one. Thanks guys!
>
> It would be great if some standardization comes about for the cloud
> control
> aspects (machine provisioning, machine location migration, etc) for
> those of
> us that are trying to build things on top of clouds. Right now the
> segment
> is very fractured with many vendors and products taking different
> approaches
> and you can't even depend on the idea that people will have an
> instance
> control system in place.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "simone brunozzi" <simone...@gmail.com>
> To: <cloud-computing@googlegroups.com>
> Sent: Tuesday, June 10, 2008 12:29 PM
> Subject: Re: Eucaliptus
>
>
>>
>> Noah,
>> i suppose you meant "AMI", not "API". AMI is short for Amazon Machine
>> Image, and yes, Amazon uses Xen.
>> From my personal, unofficial perspective, Eucalyptus is an
>> interesting
>> project, but it doesn't have much sense if you don't face lock-in
>> policies. You could need Eucalyptus if, for example, the cloud
>> provider was not using an open source hypervisor, such as Vmware. In
>> those cases, migrating your IT infrastructure is more expensive,
>> because you need to re-engineer most services. Data, instead, is
>> always accessible from any cloud provider so far.
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Simone
>>
>> Simone Brunozzi
>> Amazon.com Technology Evangelist - Europe
>>
>> ---------------------------------------
>> http://www.brunozzi.com - http://twitter.com/simone_brunozzi
>> http://www.linkedin.com/in/simonebrunozzi
>> ---------------------------------------
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 10, 2008 at 8:46 PM, Noah Campbell
>> <noah...@gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>>
>>> You need to be careful mixing open source and cloud infrastructure
>>> because they don't necessarily accumulate goodness.
>>>
>>> For example, Amazon is rumored to run on Xen. This is an open
>>> source
>>> product and could enable anyone to go forth and offer a similar
>>> service like amazon without a large barrier of entry in software
>>> license expenses.
>>>
>>> Cloud providers like Amazon are also providing an operational
>>> service
>>> that goes beyond just the software. Being able to provision a
>>> virtual
>>> machine, on demand, and provide SLA around QoS is a very difficult
>>> problem that requires an organization that understands what they're
>>> doing.
>>>
>>> Not to pick on RackSpace, but they represent the ISP model where
>>> they
>>> provide network, HVAC, and even the hardware, but they really leave
>>> the SLAs and fitness of the gear up to the customer to manage. A
>>> problem comes up inside the box, it is up to the customer to
>>> detect it
>>> and request its replacement.
>>>
>>> Cloud computing changes this demarkation of responsibility and
>>> pushes
>>> into the server as well.
>>>
>>> Please do not take this as a poke at Eucalyptus, I think it's
>>> great to
>>> start and see these cloud control systems come about. On a side
>>> note,
>>> does any know if Eucalyptus can copy an API that Amazon created?
>>> IANAL, but doesn't an API fall under copyright?
>>>
>>> -Noah
>>>
>>> On Jun 9, 11:29 pm, James Urquhart <jurquh...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>> I got interested in Eucalyptus a few days ago, and know that
>>>> both Don
>>>> MacAskill and Dion Hinchcliffe share my excitement. Simon
>>>> Wardley put
>>>> up an interesting post about its possible effects on "cloud
>>>> lock-in":http://blog.gardeviance.org/2008/06/open-sourced-ec2-
>>>> not-by-amazon.html
>>>>
>>>> Eucalyptus has the opportunity to be VERY big, if they can get the
>>>> community they need to drive further development. The need for
>>>> an open
>>>> source "alternative" cloud infrastructure platform (er, "fog
>>>> computing"
>>>> platform?) is huge, and one based on a widely accepted API has
>>>> the best
>>>> chance of success. I encourage everyone interested in seeing
>>>> "portability" from Amazon to other infrastructures to check this
>>>> out.
>>>>
>>>> Still in its infancy, to be sure, but in the right place at the
>>>> right
>>>> time.
>>>>
>>>> Has anyone downloaded it yet?
>>>>
>>>> James
>>>>
>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>> From: Khazret Sapenov <sape...@gmail.com>
>>>> To: cloud-computing@googlegroups.com
>>>> Sent: Monday, June 9, 2008 2:39:58 PM
>>>> Subject: Eucaliptus
>>>>
>>>> Interesting project, IMHO to start building your own EC2-like cloud
>>>> environment
>>>>
>>>> http://eucalyptus.cs.ucsb.edu/wiki/EucalyptusOverview
>>>> Elastic Computing, Utility Computing, and Cloud Computing are
>>>> (possibly
>>>> synonymous) terms referring to a popular SLA-based computing
>>>> paradigm
>>>> that allows users to "rent" Internet-accessible computing
>>>> capacity on a
>>>> for-fee basis. While a number of commercial enterprises
>>>> currently offer
>>>> Elastic/Utility/Cloud hosting services and several proprietary
>>>> software
>>>> systems exist for deploying and maintaining a computing Cloud,
>>>> standards-based open-source systems have been few and far between.
>>>> EUCALYPTUS -- Elastic Utility Computing Architecture for Linking
>>>> Your
>>>> Programs To Useful Systems -- is an open-source software
>>>> infrastructure
>>>> for implementing Elastic/Utility/Cloud computing using computing
>>>> clusters and/or workstation farms. The current interface to
>>>> EUCALYPTUS
>>>> is interface-compatible with Amazon.com's EC2 (arguably the most
>>>> commercially successful Cloud computing service), but the
>>>> infrastructure
>>>> is designed to be modified and extended so that multiple client-
>>>> side
>>>> interfaces can be supported. In addition, EUCALYPTUS is implemented
>>>> using commonly-available Linux tools and basic web service
>>>> technology
>>>> making it easy to install and maintain.
>>>> Overall, the goal of the EUCALYPTUS project is to foster community
>>>> research and development of Elastic/Utility/Cloud service
>>>> implementation
>>>> technologies, resource allocation strategies, service level
>>>> agreement
>>>> (SLA) mechanisms and policies, and usage models. The current
>>>> release is
>>>> version 1.0 and it includes the following features:
>>>> * Interface compatibility with EC2
>>>> * Simple installation and deployment using Rocks
>>>> cluster-management tools
>>>> * Simple set of extensible cloud allocation policies
>>>> * Overlay functionality requiring no modification to the
>>>> target
>>>> Linux environment
>>>> * Basic "Cloud Administrator" tools for system
>>>> management and
>>>> user accounting
>>>> * The ability to configure multiple clusters, each with
>>>> private
>>>> internal network addresses, into a single Cloud.
>>>> The initial version of EUCALYPTUS requires Xen to be installed
>>>> on all
>>>> nodes that can be allocated, but no modifications to the "dom0"
>>>> installation or to the hypervisor itself.
>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>
>>>
>>
>
>
> >
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