[ Cloud Computing ] Re: Gartner: Will Cloud Displace Internal IT Services For Data Centers?

I forgot to include the paper, sorry:
http://www.csee.usf.edu/~anda/papers/dadc108-palankar.pdf

Ioan

Ioan Raicu wrote:

I don't think the academic/research/supercomputing needs are a good fringe case. Here is a paper that discusses scientific computing in the context of Amazon EC2 and S3. At least with the current pricing scheme of Amazon, it is generally cheaper for the research community to build their own infrastructure (i.e. Grids), maintain it, etc... now, if the pricing of Clouds is reduced significantly, the equation changes back in Clouds favor.  Also, keep in mind that SLAs and certain levels of QoS are generally easier to achieve when you build/own your own infrastructure, rather than rent it as a utility. Now, this doesn't mean that the research community won't look at clouds, to try out new ideas, but the production side of research (that is found in academia and government labs) will probably not jump on the bandwagon of Clouds with the current price model.

About the apps that have volatile volume of work which changes often, then Clouds seem to be a perfect fit from a cost point of view!

Cheers,
Ioan

Pietrasanta, Mark wrote:

But again, it seems like people are missing the point:

 

1)      Cloud Computing, at least in any of its current and pending forms, does almost nothing to reduce my internal IT staffing needs.  It’s no better than Co-Lo in terms of IT staffing requirements;

2)      CC is more expensive than *any* of the alternatives, except in fringe cases (e.g. those with extremely volatile volume changes, and academic/research/”super computing” needs)

 

CC can’t possibly replace internal IT services until CC *offers* some form of IT services.  And the costs have to come way way down before it becomes a realistic alternative to Co-Lo (or for the small business, setting up a machine under their desk and hiring a college kid to manage it).

 

From: cloud-computing@googlegroups.com [mailto:cloud-computing@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Krishna Kurapati
Sent: Wednesday, December 17, 2008 9:18 AM
To: cloud-computing@googlegroups.com
Subject: [ Cloud Computing ] Re: Gartner: Will Cloud Displace Internal IT Services For Data Centers?

 

My View:

 

It also depends on size of organization. For SMBs, Core applications as well as non-core applications (if any) will shift to Cloud/SaaS model. 

And with recent financial turmoil, many large companies became medium and medium became small :)

 

Any organization adopting cloud would be security/compliance, availability/accessibility.

and portability/migratability. 

 

These requirements overweigh cost advantages depending on the vertical they play into.

 

Krishna Kurapati

Cloud Ventures

 

On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 3:37 AM, nagarajansankar@gmail.com <nagarajansankar@gmail.com> wrote:

Here is an interesting article that appeared yesterday.

http://www.informationweek.com/blog/main/archives/2008/12/gartner_will_cl.html?catid=cloud-computing

My take  is that possibly Non-mission critical or Non- revenue
generating applications (the so called departmental applications) in
enterprises that may form about 20 to 25% of the total IT
infrastructure and services may find their way to the clouds..

Do share your thoughts...


- Sankar
http://www.linkedin.com/in/nsk007

 

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