Re: The Business of Building Clouds

...or grids. :-)

Sassa

2008/6/5 Khazret Sapenov <sapenov@gmail.com>:
> which is basically clouds mashup, isn't it ?
>
> On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Sassa NF <sassa.nf@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> :-) There is no problem to move the services... the problem is to move
>> the service state = resource + data.
>>
>> but I like the view that the standard would allow interop of clouds,
>> i.e. super-cloud or federation as a business model? So to speak, buy
>> data as a service from Amazon, buy search as a service from Google,
>> and make them work together. However, for this to make sense, there
>> must be a task that the other clouds cannot solve sufficiently well
>> alone, or where the integrity level of a cloud is not sufficient
>> (integrity level here being like the level of detail seen in the
>> Universe). This is what drove the Grid standardisation efforts to
>> where they are now.
>>
>> Someone already complained here that the Grid standardisation effort
>> is not heading in the direction of applied IT. But this is exactly the
>> reason why: do we see the same scale of the problems in applied IT as
>> seen in the academic community? (use CERN Hydron Collider as the data
>> provider, and NESC Condor pool as the CPU provider for my simulations)
>>
>>
>> Sassa
>>
>> 2008/6/5 Khazret Sapenov <sapenov@gmail.com>:
>> > you don't do it after event, but prepare for it.
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 10:59 AM, Sassa NF <sassa.nf@gmail.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> How do you move apps from the cloud that went down?.. ;-)
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> Sassa
>> >>
>> >> 2008/6/5 Khazret Sapenov <sapenov@gmail.com>:
>> >> > Ray,
>> >> > I guess this is nice-to-have feature to manage risk of cloud provider
>> >> > going
>> >> > down (just one possible scenario).
>> >> >
>> >> > KS
>> >> >
>> >> > On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 10:47 AM, Ray Nugent <rnugent@yahoo.com>
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> >>
>> >> >> This question is for all the platform folks out there. Just out of
>> >> >> curiosity, how many of your customers are asking for these
>> >> >> portability
>> >> >> features? Is there really a pent up demand to move apps from one
>> >> >> cloud
>> >> >> platform to another?
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Ray
>> >> >>
>> >> >> ----- Original Message ----
>> >> >> From: Larry Ludwig <larrylud@gmail.com>
>> >> >> To: cloud-computing@googlegroups.com
>> >> >> Sent: Thursday, June 5, 2008 5:44:17 AM
>> >> >> Subject: RE: The Business of Building Clouds
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>
>> >> >> In particular he says "a developer should be able to move between
>> >> >> Joyent,
>> >> >> the Amazon Web Services, Google, Mosso, Slicehost, GoGrid, etc. by
>> >> >> simply
>> >> >> pointing the "deploy gun" at the cloud and go." I think he nailed it
>> >> >> dead on
>> >> >> with this statement.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Hi Reuven,
>> >> >>
>> >> >> I've read that article also, I too think it would be great to move
>> >> >> service between different providers. I think reality will set in
>> >> >> how
>> >> >> different each cloud provider will be. Yes I think you will find
>> >> >> some
>> >> >> application to convert between providers, but I also think that will
>> >> >> be
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> key differentation between providers. One provider will only have
>> >> >> feature X,
>> >> >> while another provider will only have feature Y. In order for each
>> >> >> cloud
>> >> >> provider to exist, they has to be some barrier of entry from other
>> >> >> providers
>> >> >> and also a method to not make it too easy for customers to leave.
>> >> >> Otherwise
>> >> >> why would a cloud provider exist and offer service? Geolocation of
>> >> >> the
>> >> >> cloud isn't enough of a reason.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> -L
>> >> >>
>> >> >> --
>> >> >> Larry Ludwig
>> >> >> Empowering Media
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>> >> >>
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