Re: What term for resource-pooled computing (e.g. the "on-premises cloud")?

James,
this is already happening, though only to a limited extent. many banks
have side stepped the security issues by only utilizing machines that
have no hard drives, last thing they do before the machines return to
owner is flash the memory. There are 4/5 of the largest investment
banks already doing this that I know of...
Gavan

On Jun 3, 2008, at 2:17 AM, jurquhart@yahoo.com wrote:

>
> Ray,
>
> With banks--perhaps the most security paranoid organizations outside
> of the federal government--losing tapes with tens of millions of
> personal accounts (unencrypted, no less), I have a very strong "I'll
> believe it when I see it" about that one.
>
> James
>
> On May 28, 1:07 pm, Ray Nugent <rnug...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> Greg, I agree and I'm certain there is a budding market for
>> enterprise clouds on the horizon. However, I think this will
>> accelerate competition between Corp IT and public clouds and that
>> Corp IT shops will not win the battle. I believe public clouds will
>> prove much less expensive to operate and have security that is
>> comparable - and in some cases - superior to Corp IT.
>>
>> Just my 2 cents...
>>
>> Ray
>>
>> ----- Original Message ----
>> From: Greg Pfister <greg.pfis...@gmail.com>
>> To: cloud-computing@googlegroups.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 12:54:36 PM
>> Subject: Re: What term for resource-pooled computing (e.g. the "on-
>> premises cloud")?
>>
>> Clouds inside a firewall may be conceptually anathema to some, there
>> is data that corporations will never allow to reside outside their
>> own
>> firewall. This is not a new observation; it occurred early in this
>> mailing list, and is now being embellished in a new, active thread on
>> security.
>>
>> And clouds within the firewall are there now, anyway. Many large
>> company's email systems are effectively application-specific clouds
>> that all in the company just use, designed to expand as needed.
>>
>> Rather than a negative, I think this notion can be taken as an
>> opportunity to provide cloud infrastructure, and probably services,
>> within the bounds of the IT shop itself -- infrastructure that allows
>> IT to continue to implement the constraints and controls they need
>> (or
>> think they do), but do so in a more cost effective, efficient, and
>> more generic manner.
>>
>> How far *down* can this technology scale, anyway? Is it only
>> efficiency in very large scale? IT shop clouds certainly are
>> feasible.
>> Department clouds, totally owned by the department? Are the tools
>> mature enough for that?
>>
>> Greg Pfister
>>
>> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 12:35 AM, Ray Nugent <rnug...@yahoo.com>
>> wrote:
>>> The problem with any "cloud" behind a corporate firewall is that the
>>> motivations are different. Clouds exist to be cost effective,
>>> efficient and
>>> somewhat generic computing resources that appear to be infinitely
>>> expandable
>>> to the user.
>>> Corporate IT shops exist to serve a specialized constituency
>>> (often by
>>> controlling it and restricting access to a certain set of
>>> resources.) The
>>> reason clouds are replacing traditional walled garden IT shops in
>>> the first
>>> place is because the clouds are more efficient and thus more cost
>>> effective
>>> than IT shops.
>>
>>> You can move the cloud physical paradigm behind a corporate
>>> firewall but you
>>> can't move the motivations and thus a VPC will quickly resemble a
>>> traditional corporate IT shop.
>>
>>> I don't disagree that there will be enterprises that want VPCs but
>>> I think
>>> they will find that what they really want is a better, more
>>> flexible IT
>>> shop. (a liffting of the fog...)
>>
>>> Ray
>>
>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>> From: Reuven Cohen <r...@enomaly.com>
>>> To: cloud-computing@googlegroups.com
>>> Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 10:13:57 PM
>>> Subject: Re: What term for resource-pooled computing (e.g. the "on-
>>> premises
>>> cloud")?
>>
>>> Virtual Private Cloud encapsulates both local and remote computing
>>> resources. The idea is to easily and securely tie into additional
>>> computing resources wherever and whenever they are needed.
>>
>>> Reuven
>>
>>> On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 11:56 PM, Sam Charrington
>>> <s...@charrington.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>> To address "Virtual Private Cloud," this still refers to a cloud
>>>> hosted
>>>> via
>>>> an external provider (e.g. a "public computing utility"),
>>>> accessed via the
>>>> Internet or a VPN.
>>>> This is not a true Fog!!! A true Fog is hosted behind the
>>>> enterprise
>>>> firewall, but has deployment and operating characteristics in
>>>> common with
>>>> cloud computing.
>>
>>>> Maybe Fog = Fabric or Grid ;-)
>>
>>>> Sam
>>>> On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 10:50 PM, Khazret Sapenov
>>>> <sape...@gmail.com>
>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>> Ray,
>>>>> Perhaps it depends on viewpoint (as Mike already noted in this
>>>>> topic).
>>>>> It reminds me a popular example from string theory, when you
>>>>> look at the
>>>>> rope from 100 feet distance seeing a line (one dimension), while
>>>>> moving
>>>>> closer opens more dimensions.
>>>>> Same applies to cloud computing, if you are inside private
>>>>> cloud, it is
>>>>> your own private computing fog :)
>>
>>>>> KS
>>
>>>>> On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Ray Nugent <rnug...@yahoo.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>
>>>>>> So it's a cloud, but instead of being far away it's near? Isn't
>>>>>> that
>>>>>> Fog?
>>>>>> :-)
>>
>>>>>> ----- Original Message ----
>>>>>> From: Sam Charrington <s...@charrington.com>
>>>>>> To: cloud-computing@googlegroups.com
>>>>>> Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 8:31:51 AM
>>>>>> Subject: Re: What term for resource-pooled computing (e.g. the
>>>>>> "on-premises cloud")?
>>
>>>>>> It's my belief that the future model for providing IT
>>>>>> infrastructure and
>>>>>> services in large organizations will very much resemble what you
>>>>>> describe
>>>>>> and what many call cloud computing, but will occur behind the
>>>>>> firewall.
>>
>>> --
>>> --
>>
>>> Reuven Cohen
>>> Founder & Chief Technologist, Enomaly Inc.
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>>> skype: ruv.net // aol: ruv6
>>
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>>
>> --
>> Greg Pfister
>> Sic Crustulum Frangitur
>
> >

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