Re: What term for resource-pooled computing (e.g. the "on-premises cloud")?

Ray,

With banks--perhaps the most security paranoid organizations outside
of the federal government--losing tapes with tens of millions of
personal accounts (unencrypted, no less), I have a very strong "I'll
believe it when I see it" about that one.

James

On May 28, 1:07 pm, Ray Nugent <rnug...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> Greg, I agree and I'm certain there is a budding market for enterprise clouds on the horizon. However, I think this will accelerate competition between Corp IT and public clouds and that Corp IT shops will not win the battle. I believe public clouds will prove much less expensive to operate and have security that is comparable - and in some cases - superior to Corp IT.
>
> Just my 2 cents...
>
> Ray
>
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Greg Pfister <greg.pfis...@gmail.com>
> To: cloud-computing@googlegroups.com
> Sent: Wednesday, May 28, 2008 12:54:36 PM
> Subject: Re: What term for resource-pooled computing (e.g. the "on-premises cloud")?
>
> Clouds inside a firewall may be conceptually anathema to some, there
> is data that corporations will never allow to reside outside their own
> firewall. This is not a new observation; it occurred early in this
> mailing list, and is now being embellished in a new, active thread on
> security.
>
> And clouds within the firewall are there now, anyway. Many large
> company's email systems are effectively application-specific clouds
> that all in the company just use, designed to expand as needed.
>
> Rather than a negative, I think this notion can be taken as an
> opportunity to provide cloud infrastructure, and probably services,
> within the bounds of the IT shop itself -- infrastructure that allows
> IT to continue to implement the constraints and controls they need (or
> think they do), but do so in a more cost effective, efficient, and
> more generic manner.
>
> How far *down* can this technology scale, anyway? Is it only
> efficiency in very large scale? IT shop clouds certainly are feasible.
> Department clouds, totally owned by the department? Are the tools
> mature enough for that?
>
> Greg Pfister
>
> On Wed, May 28, 2008 at 12:35 AM, Ray Nugent <rnug...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> > The problem with any "cloud" behind a corporate firewall is that the
> > motivations are different. Clouds exist to be cost effective, efficient and
> > somewhat generic computing resources that appear to be infinitely expandable
> > to the user.
> > Corporate IT shops exist to serve a specialized constituency (often by
> > controlling it and restricting access to a certain set of resources.) The
> > reason clouds are replacing traditional walled garden IT shops in the first
> > place is because the clouds are more efficient and thus more cost effective
> > than IT shops.
>
> > You can move the cloud physical paradigm behind a corporate firewall but you
> > can't move the motivations and thus a VPC will quickly resemble a
> > traditional corporate IT shop.
>
> > I don't disagree that there will be enterprises that want VPCs but I think
> > they will find that what they really want is a better, more flexible IT
> > shop. (a liffting of the fog...)
>
> > Ray
>
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Reuven Cohen <r...@enomaly.com>
> > To: cloud-computing@googlegroups.com
> > Sent: Tuesday, May 27, 2008 10:13:57 PM
> > Subject: Re: What term for resource-pooled computing (e.g. the "on-premises
> > cloud")?
>
> > Virtual Private Cloud encapsulates both local and remote computing
> > resources. The idea is to easily and securely tie into additional
> > computing resources wherever and whenever they are needed.
>
> > Reuven
>
> > On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 11:56 PM, Sam Charrington <s...@charrington.com>
> > wrote:
> >> To address "Virtual Private Cloud," this still refers to a cloud hosted
> >> via
> >> an external provider (e.g. a "public computing utility"), accessed via the
> >> Internet or a VPN.
> >> This is not a true Fog!!! A true Fog is hosted behind the enterprise
> >> firewall, but has deployment and operating characteristics in common with
> >> cloud computing.
>
> >> Maybe Fog = Fabric or Grid ;-)
>
> >> Sam
> >> On Tue, May 27, 2008 at 10:50 PM, Khazret Sapenov <sape...@gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >>> Ray,
> >>> Perhaps it depends on viewpoint (as Mike already noted in this topic).
> >>> It reminds me a popular example from string theory, when you look at the
> >>> rope from 100 feet distance seeing a line (one dimension), while moving
> >>> closer opens more dimensions.
> >>> Same applies to cloud computing, if you are inside private cloud, it is
> >>> your own private computing fog :)
>
> >>> KS
>
> >>> On Mon, May 26, 2008 at 12:59 PM, Ray Nugent <rnug...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >>>> So it's a cloud, but instead of being far away it's near? Isn't that
> >>>> Fog?
> >>>> :-)
>
> >>>> ----- Original Message ----
> >>>> From: Sam Charrington <s...@charrington.com>
> >>>> To: cloud-computing@googlegroups.com
> >>>> Sent: Monday, May 26, 2008 8:31:51 AM
> >>>> Subject: Re: What term for resource-pooled computing (e.g. the
> >>>> "on-premises cloud")?
>
> >>>> It's my belief that the future model for providing IT infrastructure and
> >>>> services in large organizations will very much resemble what you
> >>>> describe
> >>>> and what many call cloud computing, but will occur behind the firewall.
>
> > --
> > --
>
> > Reuven Cohen
> > Founder & Chief Technologist, Enomaly Inc.
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>
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> --
> Greg Pfister
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