Thursday, June 5, 2008

Re: The Business of Building Clouds

On Jun 4, 4:54 pm, "Reuven Cohen" <r...@enomaly.com> wrote:
> There is an old saying in the venture capital world that consulting doesn't
> scale.

Like Accenture, IBM Global Services, ...

[snip]

> Lately it seems everyone is in need of assistance with their clouds, from
> architecture, setup and deployment there seems to be real need for the
> "Cloud Consultant".

Thank you, Reuven, for spontaneously verifying a thought I've been
having: Clouds are erector sets. Ya got'cher DB, load-balancer, DNS,
authenticator, auto-deployer, etc., etc., and All You Have To Do is
connect 'em up with a little glue -- your VALUE ADD -- and off you go,
scaling to the heavens. Right.

Why do you think IBM loves Clouds? The hardware and software revenue
is fine, but in addition this is a brand new opportunity to grow
services -- and not just SaaS, traditional-style consulting services.

[snip part about how everybody's cloud facilities being different
makes this even harder, which is true, of course.]

> One way may be to create a common cloud specification. David Young over at
> Joyent, attempted to do this, he has called for a common cloud specification
> called "Cloud Nine<http://www.joyeur.com/2008/05/08/cloud-nine-specification-for-a-cloud...>".

Seems to me that Dennis Richie (or maybe Ken Thompson) had a follow-on
to Unix he called Cloud 9, back in the late 80s or earl 90s. But even
Google can't find it, so what the hey.

[snip things about core components in Joyent's Cloud Nine]

> ...he
> says "a developer
> should be able to move between Joyent, the Amazon Web
> Services<http://finance.google.com/finance?q=amzn>,
> Google <http://finance.google.com/finance?q=goog>, Mosso, Slicehost, GoGrid,
> etc. by simply pointing the "deploy gun" at the cloud and go." I think he
> nailed it dead on with this statement. At the end of the day our job as
> cloud builders is about creating simplicity and making IT easier to manage
> and faster to scale.

Well, yes, it would certainly be simpler, easier, faster, etc. But
this is exactly parallel to how it would be easier to move
applications if there were a standard OS. There isn't one, for any
number of reasons, and there isn't likely to be one --- except,
possibly, and only in the server context, Linux is a fair imitation.
Because it's free.

Anybody up for becoming the Linus Torvalds of Clouds?

Otherwise, isn't this exactly the realization that produced the Globus
Alliance for Grids? The big difference is that Google, Amazon, (?
Microsoft?), and a pile of smaller players weren't actively engaged in
making money from their own grid walled gardens.

> Reuven Cohen

--
Greg Pfister

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