Re: The Business of Building Clouds

which is basically clouds mashup, isn't it ?

On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 11:57 AM, Sassa NF <sassa.nf@gmail.com> wrote:

:-) There is no problem to move the services... the problem is to move
the service state = resource + data.

but I like the view that the standard would allow interop of clouds,
i.e. super-cloud or federation as a business model? So to speak, buy
data as a service from Amazon, buy search as a service from Google,
and make them work together. However, for this to make sense, there
must be a task that the other clouds cannot solve sufficiently well
alone, or where the integrity level of a cloud is not sufficient
(integrity level here being like the level of detail seen in the
Universe). This is what drove the Grid standardisation efforts to
where they are now.

Someone already complained here that the Grid standardisation effort
is not heading in the direction of applied IT. But this is exactly the
reason why: do we see the same scale of the problems in applied IT as
seen in the academic community? (use CERN Hydron Collider as the data
provider, and NESC Condor pool as the CPU provider for my simulations)

Sassa

2008/6/5 Khazret Sapenov <sapenov@gmail.com>:
> you don't do it after event, but prepare for it.
>
> On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 10:59 AM, Sassa NF <sassa.nf@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> How do you move apps from the cloud that went down?.. ;-)
>>
>>
>> Sassa
>>
>> 2008/6/5 Khazret Sapenov <sapenov@gmail.com>:
>> > Ray,
>> > I guess this is nice-to-have feature to manage risk of cloud provider
>> > going
>> > down (just one possible scenario).
>> >
>> > KS
>> >
>> > On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 10:47 AM, Ray Nugent <rnugent@yahoo.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> This question is for all the platform folks out there. Just out of
>> >> curiosity, how many of your customers are asking for these portability
>> >> features? Is there really a pent up demand to move apps from one cloud
>> >> platform to another?
>> >>
>> >> Ray
>> >>
>> >> ----- Original Message ----
>> >> From: Larry Ludwig <larrylud@gmail.com>
>> >> To: cloud-computing@googlegroups.com
>> >> Sent: Thursday, June 5, 2008 5:44:17 AM
>> >> Subject: RE: The Business of Building Clouds
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> In particular he says "a developer should be able to move between
>> >> Joyent,
>> >> the Amazon Web Services, Google, Mosso, Slicehost, GoGrid, etc. by
>> >> simply
>> >> pointing the "deploy gun" at the cloud and go." I think he nailed it
>> >> dead on
>> >> with this statement.
>> >>
>> >> Hi Reuven,
>> >>
>> >> I've read that article also,  I too think it would be great to move
>> >> service between different providers.  I think reality will set in how
>> >> different each cloud provider will be.   Yes I think you will find some
>> >> application to convert between providers, but I also think that will be
>> >> the
>> >> key differentation between providers. One provider will only have
>> >> feature X,
>> >> while another provider will only have feature Y.  In order for each
>> >> cloud
>> >> provider to exist, they has to be some barrier of entry from other
>> >> providers
>> >> and also a method to not make it too easy for customers to leave.
>> >>  Otherwise
>> >> why would a cloud provider exist and offer service?  Geolocation of the
>> >> cloud isn't enough of a reason.
>> >>
>> >> -L
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Larry Ludwig
>> >> Empowering Media
>> >> 1-866-792-0489 x600
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>> >>
>> >>
>> >> >>
>> >
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