Re: The Business of Building Clouds

Khazret,

I fully agree with you, that is the reason why I said I am comparing
what I could do "by hand" on my own with what a vendor can do, I compare
everything on one question "price per scalable X".

Means

1/ Price (the lowest being a single machine with a very specialised
monitoring but not scalable)
2/ Scalable (how close to linear is the price/performance curve?)

For now I admit that I saw linear curves only in companies that are more
expensive that doing myself.

So I am wondering if I could re-align my question from "cost per linear
performance over scale" to "cost per linear performance for one
particular piece of infrastructure over scale" and explode the
infrastructure into multiple smaller vendor to take into account.

Vendors have the problem to answer all infrastructure questions, I have
the problem to answer only one complex infrastructure question but fine.

Adrien

Khazret Sapenov a écrit :
> Adrien,
> This might depend on specific configuration of hardware layer and
> configuration of cloud (in many cases virtualized environment).
> There's always a tradeoff in performance (around 10-15%), when using
> hypervisor, but this also might be optimized by using eficient
> drivers, written for known hardware (I/O is pretty crucial one).
> However virtualization brings very important features, not present in
> barebone layout.
>
> KS
>
> On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 10:56 AM, arculeo <arculeo@arculeo.com
> <mailto:arculeo@arculeo.com>> wrote:
>
>
> Ray,
>
> As a client perspective, I really like the fact to be able to compare
> cloud features to what I am doing without the cloud. I take the
> example
> of being able to say
>
> before : how many HTTP request handling in GET/POST
> after : how many HTTP request handling in GET/POST
>
> before : how many SQL request handling in SELECT/INSERT
> after : how many SQL request handling in SELECT/INSERT
>
> I can compare a "cost per scalable INSERT" and evaluate what is better
> for me. Not to move from cloud X to cloud Y but to able to move from
> non-cloud to cloud and understand the offer in terms I already use
> with
> our present platform.
>
> Adrien
>
> Ray Nugent a écrit :
> > This question is for all the platform folks out there. Just out of
> > curiosity, how many of your customers are asking for these
> portability
> > features? Is there really a pent up demand to move apps from one
> cloud
> > platform to another?
> >
> > Ray
> >
> > ----- Original Message ----
> > From: Larry Ludwig <larrylud@gmail.com <mailto:larrylud@gmail.com>>
> > To: cloud-computing@googlegroups.com
> <mailto:cloud-computing@googlegroups.com>
> > Sent: Thursday, June 5, 2008 5:44:17 AM
> > Subject: RE: The Business of Building Clouds
> >
> >
> >
> > In particular he says "a developer should be able to move
> between
> > Joyent, the Amazon Web Services
> > <http://finance.google.com/finance?q=amzn>, Google
> > <http://finance.google.com/finance?q=goog>, Mosso, Slicehost,
> > GoGrid, etc. by simply pointing the "deploy gun" at the
> cloud and
> > go." I think he nailed it dead on with this statement.
> >
> >
> > Hi Reuven,
> >
> >
> > I've read that article also, I too think it would be
> great to
> > move service between different providers. I think reality
> > will set in how different each cloud provider will be.
> Yes I
> > think you will find some application to convert between
> > providers, but I also think that will be the key
> > differentation between providers. One provider will only
> have
> > feature X, while another provider will only have feature Y.
> > In order for each cloud provider to exist, they has to
> be some
> > barrier of entry from other providers and also a method
> to not
> > make it too easy for customers to leave. Otherwise why
> would
> > a cloud provider exist and offer service? Geolocation
> of the
> > cloud isn't enough of a reason.
> >
> >
> > -L
> >
> > --
> > Larry Ludwig
> > Empowering Media
> > 1-866-792-0489 x600
> > Managed and Unmanaged Xen VPSes
> >

http://www.hostcube.com/
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > >
>
>
> >

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