Utility Computing aka Cloud Computing: May 2008

Saturday, May 31, 2008

Re: Cloud Computing & Venture Capital

Being a very techno-positive and passionate person, In my personal
opinion the site www.thefunded.com is one of the very few sources of
actual reality related to both the Angel and VC community.

Geoff Brown
CEO and Founder

m2mi Corporation
NASA Research Park
Building 19, #2063
Moffet Field, CA 94025

Re: Cloud Computing & Venture Capital

I joined thefunded.com a while back, seems kind of negative for the most part.

reuven

Friday, May 30, 2008

Re: Cloud Computing & Venture Capital

Hi Reuven,

I'm not involved in any cloud leases businesses, but to give a
thought... you are greatly in competition with other big guys there.

But in terms of potential market size, I still see there are big chances
there. As I myself feel a need to buy some cloud resources there for my
application, since it is very economically make sense. You know, I have
a long developed application which I hold to publish for the reason of
infrastructure cost which I cannot afford to fund. Especially, potential
customers from third world countries.

And yes... I'm from Indonesia - also a third world - which lacks of
such infrastructure and which technology is still a very expensive
thing. With an adequate market education and a focused campaign, I think
you can grab the chances.

Hope I make myself clear enough, and pardon me for a poor written English :)

Regards,

Feris

Re: Cloud Computing & Venture Capital

I highly recommend that you join the site www.thefunded.com ...

Geoff Brown

m2mi Corporation
NASA Research Park
Building 19, #2063
Moffet Field, CA 94035-127

Re: Who invented the term Cloud Computing?

Reuven,

Eric Schmidt is generally credited with being the first to use it publicly (at least in a marketing sense). See my "Ah, Yes, How To Define Cloud Computing" post. (Which, by the way, is a bit outdated in terms of a definition--what I describe there is perhaps more of a "Cloud Oriented Architecture", and I'm staking my claim on that term right now! :-) )

The post: http://blog.jamesurquhart.com/2008/03/ah-yes-how-to-define-cloud-computing.html

James

RE: Cloud Computing & Venture Capita

Tarry,

We're embarking on Gartner's Hype Cycle. Maybe that'll help put some perspective.

Yes my sentiments exactly..

I think right now we are close to the "Peak of Inflated Expectations" but not there yet. I think within the next 6 months it will peak.

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Hi Sebastian,

Thank you for the interesting Wikipedia article.

Here is the link to Hype Cycle as of July 2007.

http://www.pressebox.de/attachment/62861/Hype+Cycle+for+Emerging+Technologies+2007.png

Location-aware technologies starting to ramp up..

Re: Cloud Computing & Venture Capita

Tarry, a lot of people have been talking about the coming "nuclear
winter" for awhile. As the economy slows I think organizations both
big and small are going to have to look at ways to become more
efficient. For some that may mean reducing their capital expenditure
on things like physical hardware or for others it may mean making
better use of the hardware they already have. Either way the concepts
of cloud computing for the most part are about IT efficiency and an
economic down turn might be the ideal way to get the cloud in the
door.

ruv

Re: Who invented the term Cloud Computing?

Rizwan,

Sam approached a good definition in his blog post here of the various nuances.

Re: Cloud Computing & Venture Capita

Tarry,

We're embarking on Gartner's Hype Cycle. Maybe that'll help put some perspective.

Re: Who invented the term Cloud Computing?

Note also "Grid" is really a flexible umbrella term that to many people means "whatever I'm working on." For example, a few years ago Foster et al threw around the term "peer to peer" before adopting the Web service approach in 200x.

Marlon

Stuart Charlton wrote:
>
>
> On May 29, 2008, at 8:49 PM, Rizwan Mian wrote:
>
>> Folks,
>>
>> After reading wikipedia on cloud computing
>> <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloud_computing>, Ian foster's post and
>> a post on Grid Gurus
>> <http://gridgurus.typepad.com/grid_gurus/2008/02/my-head-in-the.html>;
>> I do not find much differences between cloud computing and
>> computational grid.
>>
>> 'Cloud computing' seems to have gained popularity towards the end of
>> 2007 [1]. I could not find any *academic* literature for 'cloud
>> computing' Google scholar. So, I also wonder where did it originate from?
>>
>> Rizwan
>>
>> [1] http://www.google.com/trends?q=cloud+computing
>>
>
> A cynic might say that 'cloud computing' is the term for grid computing
> that has nothing to do with academia ;-) I sense a general disdain for
> the standards work to date on computational grids; people think it's out
> of touch with mainstream IT and overly complex.
>
> Having said this, I think the work there is valuable at least in
> enumerating the problems and exploring potential solutions, even though,
> in most cases, the solutions developed by the OGF will not achieve broad
> market penetration.
>
> Cheers
> Stu
>
>
> >

Re: Who invented the term Cloud Computing?

What's interesting is looking at the trend for grid computing compared
to that of cloud computing
http://www.google.com/trends?q=grid+computing%2C+cloud+computing&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0

Cloud Computing has recently surpassed grid in terms of both raw
searches and news.

ruv

Re: Cloud Computing & Venture Capita

Reuven,

My dog eyes and ears are saying that an implosion is coming. You'll hear hissing, not explosion. These are interesting times. You are not the only one who is getting massive calls. I have access to portals of VCs who are willing to share eveything about their clients just in the hope of getting just about anyone help those clients out. What is happening to this market? Something very different than a traditional slump, thats for sure.

-Tarry

On Fri, May 30, 2008 at 6:00 PM, Ray Nugent <r....@yahoo.com> wrote:

Reuven, Congratulations on being a successful bootstrapper. Lots of folks wish they had your problem!

You've created the perfect job for yourself, if that's what you want then leave the VCs alone. If you want to grow the company rapidly with the intent of cashing out 2-3 years down the road then take the VC money NOW! (you can always bootstrap another company later.)

Consider where you are in life - single, no assets or married, kids, house? Do you have a responsibility to other people or just to yourself (and your ego?) If you're on your own then why change things?

However, understand that nothing stays the same. The companies that take VC money now will be growing. Some of them will be able to execute and be sucessful and that could endanger your company down the road. The other route you could take is to be aquired by one of those companies but that would effectvly end you current situation too.

You have a great problem! But it is a problem nontheless...

Ray

----- Original Message ----
From: Reuven Cohen <r..@enomaly.com>
To: cloud-computing <cloud-computing@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 7:40:27 AM
Subject: Cloud Computing & Venture Capital

In my blog post this morning I discussed my entrepreneurs dilemma of
whether or not to take venture capital.
(http://elasticvapor.com/2008/05/cloud-computing-and-venture-capital.html)

Dealing with unsolicited venture capital inquires is quickly becoming
my number one task. I'm getting between 5-10 emails or phone calls
from VC's and private equity firms on a weekly basis. Is this a sign
that the market is about to explode with new competitors or is it a
sign that 4+ years of work in the cloud computing is starting to pay
off? Are others in the cloud computing space having similar
experiences?

I'd love to hear your experiences, good and bad.

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Re: Who invented the term Cloud Computing?

On May 29, 2008, at 8:49 PM, Rizwan Mian wrote:

Folks,

After reading wikipedia on cloud computing, Ian foster's post and a post on Grid Gurus; I do not find much differences between cloud computing and computational grid.

'Cloud computing' seems to have gained popularity towards the end of 2007 [1]. I could not find any *academic* literature for 'cloud computing' Google scholar. So, I also wonder where did it originate from?

Rizwan

[1] http://www.google.com/trends?q=cloud+computing

A cynic might say that 'cloud computing' is the term for grid computing that has nothing to do with academia ;-) I sense a general disdain for the standards work to date on computational grids; people think it's out of touch with mainstream IT and overly complex.

Having said this, I think the work there is valuable at least in enumerating the problems and exploring potential solutions, even though, in most cases, the solutions developed by the OGF will not achieve broad market penetration.

Cheers

Stu

Re: CloudCamp San Francisco

Hello CloudCampers,

My name is Dave Nielsen. I'm helping Reuven plan and manage
CloudCampSF on June 24th and possibly future camps. I thought I'd
introduce myself and let you know more about the session format we are
considering.

Keeping with the unconference *camp theme, I suggest we use the Open
Space format. (see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_Space_Technology
or http://www.socialtext.net/web2open/index.cgi?the_open_grid). This
format helps keep the sessions interesting for two reasons:

1) Attendees often have more interesting things to say than presenters
and they are encouraged to help guide the conversation in each session
2) It keeps the session organizers honest b/c if you aren't enjoying a
session, you can vote with your feet and go to another session

Of course we can be flexible. So for those who want to pre-submit
session topics, we can find a way to accomodate you too. We are also
considering using one hour for 10 minute demos, but since we only have
4 hours we have to be careful with the schedule.

If you have any feedback, please let us know. And if you have
something interesting to discuss, we hope you come to CloudCamp and
post your topic on the open schedule wall.

Dave

ps. To register for CloudCamp, visit http://www.cloudcamp.com/359.0.html
(note: website still under development)

Re: Cloud Computing & Venture Capital

Feris, you raise a good point. What is the cloud computing market
size? Is it the web hosting market, software, networking? How can we
define the overall cloud computing opportunity in terms of dollars?

Reuven

On Sat, May 31, 2008 at 1:44 AM, Feris Thia <f....@komputasiawan.com> wrote:
>
> Hi Reuven,
>
> I'm not involved in any cloud leases businesses, but to give a
> thought... you are greatly in competition with other big guys there.
>
> But in terms of potential market size, I still see there are big chances
> there. As I myself feel a need to buy some cloud resources there for my
> application, since it is very economically make sense. You know, I have
> a long developed application which I hold to publish for the reason of
> infrastructure cost which I cannot afford to fund. Especially, potential
> customers from third world countries.
>
> And yes... I'm from Indonesia - also a third world - which lacks of
> such infrastructure and which technology is still a very expensive
> thing. With an adequate market education and a focused campaign, I think
> you can grab the chances.
>
> Hope I make myself clear enough, and pardon me for a poor written English :)
>
> Regards,
>
> Feris
>
> Reuven Cohen wrote:
>> In my blog post this morning I discussed my entrepreneurs dilemma of
>> whether or not to take venture capital.
>> (http://elasticvapor.com/2008/05/cloud-computing-and-venture-capital.html)
>>
>> Dealing with unsolicited venture capital inquires is quickly becoming
>> my number one task. I'm getting between 5-10 emails or phone calls
>> from VC's and private equity firms on a weekly basis. Is this a sign
>> that the market is about to explode with new competitors or is it a
>> sign that 4+ years of work in the cloud computing is starting to pay
>> off? Are others in the cloud computing space having similar
>> experiences?
>>
>> I'd love to hear your experiences, good and bad.
>>
>>
>
>
> >
>

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www.enomaly.com :: 416 848 6036 x 1
skype: ruv.net // aol: ruv6

blog > www.elasticvapor.com
-
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Re: Cloud Computing & Venture Capital

Reuven, Congratulations on being a successful bootstrapper. Lots of folks wish they had your problem!

You've created the perfect job for yourself, if that's what you want then leave the VCs alone. If you want to grow the company rapidly with the intent of cashing out 2-3 years down the road then take the VC money NOW! (you can always bootstrap another company later.)

Consider where you are in life - single, no assets or married, kids, house? Do you have a responsibility to other people or just to yourself (and your ego?) If you're on your own then why change things?

However, understand that nothing stays the same. The companies that take VC money now will be growing. Some of them will be able to execute and be sucessful and that could endanger your company down the road. The other route you could take is to be aquired by one of those companies but that would effectvly end you current situation too.

You have a great problem! But it is a problem nontheless...

Ray

----- Original Message ----
From: Reuven Cohen <r...@enomaly.com>
To: cloud-computing <cloud-computing@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Friday, May 30, 2008 7:40:27 AM
Subject: Cloud Computing & Venture Capital

In my blog post this morning I discussed my entrepreneurs dilemma of
whether or not to take venture capital.
(http://elasticvapor.com/2008/05/cloud-computing-and-venture-capital.html)

Dealing with unsolicited venture capital inquires is quickly becoming
my number one task. I'm getting between 5-10 emails or phone calls
from VC's and private equity firms on a weekly basis. Is this a sign
that the market is about to explode with new competitors or is it a
sign that 4+ years of work in the cloud computing is starting to pay
off? Are others in the cloud computing space having similar
experiences?

I'd love to hear your experiences, good and bad.

--
--

Reuven Cohen
Founder & Chief Technologist, Enomaly Inc.
www.enomaly.com :: 416 848 6036 x 1
skype: ruv.net // aol: ruv6

blog > www.elasticvapor.com
-
Get Linked in> http://linkedin.com/pub/0/b72/7b4

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Cloud Computing & Venture Capital

In my blog post this morning I discussed my entrepreneurs dilemma of
whether or not to take venture capital.
(http://elasticvapor.com/2008/05/cloud-computing-and-venture-capital.html)

Dealing with unsolicited venture capital inquires is quickly becoming
my number one task. I'm getting between 5-10 emails or phone calls
from VC's and private equity firms on a weekly basis. Is this a sign
that the market is about to explode with new competitors or is it a
sign that 4+ years of work in the cloud computing is starting to pay
off? Are others in the cloud computing space having similar
experiences?

I'd love to hear your experiences, good and bad.

--
--

Reuven Cohen
Founder & Chief Technologist, Enomaly Inc.
www.enomaly.com :: 416 848 6036 x 1
skype: ruv.net // aol: ruv6

blog > www.elasticvapor.com
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Get Linked in> http://linkedin.com/pub/0/b72/7b4

Thursday, May 29, 2008

Pricing Model for Clouds

Current threads point out need for a mix of
a) Persistent but intermittently accessed Services such as portals,
pub-sub/notification, registries etc. These need to run all the time but
use little or no CPU
b) Compute or Data intensive tasks that require dedicated resources used
flat out for some period of time

Do current cloud systems and their charging model support both cost
effectively (assuming b) surely cost effective)

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